Keep competing with the likes of Notion, Airtable, Coda, Anytype, Fibery etc.
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Rudolf Nanne
With all those recent Docs-related made improvements, and Airtable-like features in the pipeline, we can see it's actually already happening, and with this post, I just want to emphasize that I wish to see that ClickUp stays ahead of the "next-generation" approach like Notion, Airtable, Coda, Anytype, Fibery, which is I think well described in the following article.
I believe we are already nearly there, but the last thing might be to simply give up the obligated "list", while the different list/board/box/gantt "views" should be replaced by one single view type, a "universal document", and the views transformed into "building blocks" so you would be able to add each of these views into that universal document.
"The Next Wave of Work Management Software" https://hackernoon.com/the-next-wave-of-work-management-software-81f392c728e3
- Domain Generalization. There are no specific entities like Tasks and Projects anymore. Specialization is gone. Everything is very fluid and you can define your own semantic. It means you can relatively easy use a tool to track Leads in simplistic CRM or User Stories in software development project.
- UI Generalization. There are various ways to see information: Tables, Lists, Timelines, Kanban Boards, etc. All vendors try to generalize UI this way. Old vendors try to keep up with this trend as well, see how Asana and JIRA added Timelines recently. Interestingly, the first implementation of UI Generalization appeared in Targetprocess in 2013.
- Automation. Users are becoming more savvy and want to automate boring actions. Even in latest iOS release there are automation rules. No wonder work management software should keep up. Coda gets Automation very seriously, Airtable less seriously and other vendors rely on Zapier (so far).
- Document-oriented approach. Most new vendors rely on documents or spreadsheet to handle work. Documents are becoming really rich with visual widgets, interactivity and subsections. Coda takes this approach to extreme claiming that “Document is an App”, Notion tries to do almost the same.
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Brendan W
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I can assure you this is our goal! Our only plan is to become the best program out there, accomplishing all of our users needs in one single platform!
We have some amazing updates in the works like new improvements to Docs, Item Types, and so much more!
LauGau
Brendan W: I cannot wait to hear more about content type !!! Question : "When ?" :)
Brendan W
LauGau: Soon! Hopefully Q4
LauGau
Brendan W: Thanks for the input, I cannot wait ! :D
Brendan W
LauGau: I can't wait as well!
Julian Dumitrascu
Brendan W: Let's talk about how to get there sooner!
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Sarah Anderson
Take all of my votes for this one please!
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John Jones
Hey guys, I think @@ mentioning is a huge piece that ClickUp almost has fully done to continue to keep up with these guys, because they all allow this. Here in ClickUp though it doesn't work for various pieces like Views, Goals, etc.
I created a post on the subject since I don't think this is out there yet as a unique request:
Rudolf Nanne
Hi everyone, just a promising update that I accidentally came across in another thread:
Jonathan Solorzano
@Nick: I'm a Coda.io user, and I would love to see how clickup comes with a solution to solve the problem Airtable + Notion + Fibery + Coda haven't solved, a true AIO tools to replace them all!, when can we expect to see the first version of this? (I need to plan my migration from coda)
Also, why don't you guys try to fusion with tools like coda, notion, fibery to make one tool that covers everything?
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Nick
@Jonathan Solorzano: Most likely within the next couple of weeks, but hard to say for sure!
July 8, 2020
Dean Phillips
Rudolf Nanne: Excited for this to progress! Hoping their new doc features can compete with Coda's too (which are great)
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Ragnor Comerford
Strongly agree with this one!
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John Jones
Coda just got some huge funding, but continues to remain not as easy to use as ClickUp, just as all the other apps mentioned in here. On this list still hoping to see above all else:
- Domain Generalization - ability to use "items" for things like Projects, Docs, Tasks, Clients, etc.
but still keep ways to categorize them with Folders.
This post talks a lot about this:
Thanks guys!
Dean Phillips
Still got my fingers crossed for this one
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R C
Dean Phillips: Hey Dean, yes it would be great to get ClickUp evolved this way - in a word, I think the combo of Hierarchy, Relations (which are coming), great functionality (time tracking, Assigned Comments, bespoke views, great app, super UX/UI, key integrations, etc.) gives ClickUp a leg up on these guys and all that is listed here. I agree a key piece is some way to "generalize" tasks, but I'm pretty sure Zeb & co. have that on the radar in the long term vision. Which with ClickUp won't be too long at all!!
And it would be great if you could take any of these "generalized" tasks and turn it into a dashboard of its own, a sort of mini-project view, with all the relevant related stuff viewable right there.
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R C
This is another great post and reflecting a few of the others out there that are older, such as this:
And this one re: spreadsheet view is picking up a lot of the theme if you look at the recent posts:
Love theme here and would love to see you guys somehow consolidate some of this stuff into some features. Nick Krekow I know you have a ton on the plate but would love to get your take on this.
I can kick us off with the highlighting this suggested feature, which is about to come live in Fibery and is already going in Roam Research and causing a stir:
Here is what Fibery is doing very soon:
To reiterate what is in that post, ClickUp also has “blocks” in text canvas in descriptions, docs, etc., and already has mentions. So you guys could easily come to the forefront of this trend, too, and add some amazing functionality to compliment your existing already-great @mentioning around the app. Great way to get a leg up on the nocode guys, none of whom have this quite yet!
Rudolf Nanne
R C: On a positive note, some of the requests listed already have "planned" or "in progress" status.
Dean Phillips
Rudolf Nanne: One of them has been planned since 2018 - damn!
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Dean Phillips: Hey guys Rudolf Nanne yes true on both accounts! I have faith tough that even if some of this stuff has been “planned” for 2 yrs, most of what we’re discussing is in line with the team’s vision, and they will get ClickUp to this point faster than any of these other tools.
Rudolf Nanne
R C: Exactly, CU's stated mission is after all "one app to replace them all". Despite how cool the other tools are, they don't share that mission. Also, to my taste, these other tools drift away from team-shared tasks too much.
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Rudolf Nanne: Hey Rudolf, yes I agree 100%. Have spent a ton of time trying to make Notion and Coda work, Airtable is so lacking I didn’t really ever try too hard with it. In both cases it’s really too difficult unless you are using those tools unnaturally. Fibery comes closest I think.
I created a new post about one part of this - to have tasks become more “items” or freed from being forced into “tasks.” Would be curious to get your thoughts:
I think this is one big thing that would keep ClickUp at the forefront of nocode flexibility!
Rudolf Nanne
R C: Sure, make the CU lists useful not only for 'tasks', but also for 'items' such as customers, assets, HR candidates, software features, from your examples, it makes perfect sense and falls into the # 1 Domain Generalization category of my post.
Nevertheless "planned" since September 20, 2018, on that actual pending request of this particular topic, Zeb has made promising comments and seems to agree completely. Now let's try to generate new interest to get it started:
"We are considering "item" as well."
"The reason for changing "Team" and "Task" is to allow the platform to be used for anything."
"We see the future as a completely customizable place to work that's modular enough to fit any team and scale to any size."
"Over the next few months, we plan to fully realize the vision of ClickUp. It's far more than task management, we are aimed at building a platform for work."
"We see the future as a completely customizable place to work that's modular enough to fit any team and scale to any size."
"Allow people to use ClickUp for anything - not just tasks."
"We aren't sure about the renaming for Tasks yet, but we do know we need to change it to make it more arbitrary."
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Rudolf Nanne: Yes that is why I quoted that post, too. I have faith though I'm sure Zeb & team still have that vision and it will come through shining shortly, with all the great substance around Team work that ClickUp offers and the other apps are significantly lacking in.
Dean Phillips
This is what I really hope for with the future of CU. I don't know if it's of any interest of theirs but I hope it is.
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Rick
One other thing that I find in NO other app anywhere that:
Has a CRM hierarchy level where you can have statuses and special views just to plot the overall workflow of the clients, then in the level below, full-bloodied dynamic task management for the tasks.
Using tasks for Clients and sub-tasks for the tasks is close to binnable. Just hard work and I can't understand why no app offers that.
In reality, all it needs is a way of having split statuses and lists - one for clients and one for tasks. Basically we need:
Workspaces > Lists > Projects (Clients) > Tasks
That will be a killer.
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